Dies ist ein Notizpad und keine offizielle Äußerung der Piratenpartei

(Just removed some duplicated text)
The audio recording of this session can be downloaded here:
http://bayfiles.com/file/mUgZ/1IjnH9/Mumble-2012-10-03-21-20-04-mumble.piratenpartei-nrw.de-Mixdown.mp3

Außerordentliches Treffen der AG Meinungsfindungstool: 
Mittwoch, den 03.10.2012, 21:00 Uhr

Participants: Merkbefreiter, PietroSperoni (pietrosperoni.it), Slash, Ronald, Schnittmenge, serapath, ThomasE, WS, DeepLook


== Systems mentioned ==

• Adhocracy ( https://adhocracy.de/ )
• Architecture of a Democracy 2.0 ( http://www.qanav.com/eipwTst/content/idocs/P21StruktDoc.pdf ), EIPW ( http://www.eipw.org/ ), Test System: http://www.qanav.de/eipwTst/
• Vilfredo 
  • http://vilfredo.org (Vilfredo goes to Athens, Vilfredo Bubbles) 
  • https://github.com/pietrosperoni/DemocracyVision/blob/master/fairopenpoll/fairopenpoll.md )
  • code for vilfredo: http://code.google.com/p/vilfredo-goes-to-athens/
  • Bibliographical Links 
    • don't vote evolve: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6te5j9iVoA&feature=plcp
    • The Summary Table in Vilfredo goes to Athens http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYNGW04GmVw&feature=plcp
    • Bruxelles elevator talk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsIGfG3pIzA&feature=plcp
      
      
• Votorola ( http://zelea.com/project/votorola/home.xht )
• Liquid Democracy (http://liqd.net)
• http://consenser.org
• http://wiki9999.org (git approach)
• sociocracy ( http://www.sociocracy.info / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociocracy )
  
  
  
  

== Principles (approaches) ==

GIT (for example - hosted by https://github.com/ for use by anybody)
(is a Decentralised VCS [Distributed Version Control System], often used by open source software development)

Fair Participation (every user has the same possibilities to have its idea accepted)


== Problems with liquid feedback ==

• The one person starting an initiative defines the course of initiative and not the group as a whole
  • One cannot force a suggestion to be accepted but the first person who wrote the proposal decides 
    • (The owner of a proposal owns the proposal) - 
    • it is hard to fork a proposal (there is a barrier)
• You can't make a suggestion on a suggestion
• The interface is too complex to see the essence of a proposal on one sight - confusing for beginners and even for advanced users
• No well structured, lively archive: A discussions get forgotten, it's not like a discussion is continuing when a topic gets up once again; and that's a tragic waste of human ressources
  
  
  
  

Distinction into three systems: Information, Discussion, Decision System
http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/wiki/images/3/30/DSFS-ConceptualOverview-A.jpg


== Agenda ==

Wir befinden uns weiterhin in der Anforderungsanalyse.

Top 0 - Warm-Up: 

• Introduction of all participants
• Introduction of our working group
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Top 1 - Visitors/Speakers: Presentation / Discussion of several concepts and ideas for computer based opinion forming (Vorstellung von Konzepten & Ideen zur computergestützten Meinungsfindung).

• Pietro presents Vilfredo.org (starting 22:15)
  • Pareto Front (pietrosperoni.it)
  • example: http://vilfredo.org/vhq.php?q=67&room=Vilfredo
• Schnittmenge
• Alex
• Ronald
• ThomasE
  
  
  
  

== Decisions ==

• The session will be recorded!
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== TODOs ==

• Alex will create a new doodle for the next session (Ronald will present Democracy 2.0)
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== Next Topics ==



== Next Meeting Date ==

    Monday, 8. October 2012


== End of Meeting ==

23:39